do something about lag comp in ultra

why would you even respond without even reading? who does even do that? this guy literally didn't read anything whatsoever, he saw title and assumes straight away that i'm asking to take away lag comp, yes that irrelevant answer you write (like any other times i ve seen your posts as stated) only proves that you didn't even read and i just can't grasp how blatantly obviously you can show off that.

i swear you do this in every thread, so you want to become mod now? not only didn't you read anything to refute my points, your answer doesn't even dispute anything or prove any points, you just say it will become worse and that people with bad net will suffer even more. that's all you say, and that's all you said before, you don't even bring any points other that just saying what you fallaciously think will grant you lichess mod and just trying to come off nice by appealing on emotions.

either bring any real arguments or stop harvesting hearts, and read next time.

and btw

1) there is not even need to play ultra if your net is bad, whatsoever. that's what i was talking about in my post so you could read. don't play ultra, that's all.
2) just because your net is bad that doesn't mean we should have not leaderboard or not enjoy playing.
3) it's not about even only territory, for example @sling16 and @jurisdoctor are both from states and both nonlaggers and sling got 70ms, one of the best i've ever seen, so it's not even truly about only territory and sheer unability.
4) suffer more than already do? we who don't lag suffer even more cause of their lagging and they even get better rating than us so it is not even true suffering, and even if it is suffering then exactly, don't play ultra if your net gonna make u suffer (and make others suffer even more too), i was also speaking about this in op, you'd know had u read.

@bibbymove

can you please expand on what this has to do with lag?

@majorbajor02 this guy hates kb so much, i remember him from previous threads, he constantly claims that i am hipocrite for calling out people for lagging cause i myself am slow and i myself use some written ai to input moves for me - so i don't have a room to speak about literal connection issue and its exploitation cause i am slow as well since some written ai makes moves for me.

@TCF_Namelecc I don't see how making it leaderboardless would make anyone happy. It's just a lose-lose scenario, literally noone benefits from it.

@TCF_Namelecc so your solution to the problem is to essentially get rid of ultra. What about the people who like ultra? All this is about is basically not having increment in ultra and if you have terrible internet don't play.

what's worst part about lag comp is endgames, when playing lagger endgames lose all standart nature of flag and winning on time aspect is taken away sometimes even fully, i mean when you have better or equal position you can still flag to some degree but obviously way harder, but in a losing position (say rook vs lone king) flag becomes irrelevant and even if your opponent has 1 second and you have 5 seconds there is no way even most accurate premoves can grant you win on time cause they will just not run out of time, no matter how slow the moves seem to be coming.

that's cause premoves in their very nature isn't so that more time you have better premoves you make.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Yi40TaQB8

here's random game of kindanon i found for reference purpose, you can see an opponent is lagging severely. the moves he's making are coming slowly, not even immediately, and while kindanon doesn't make 100% immediate moves either he plays way faster and you can know it for sure cause you are watching from his point of view.

look at the green bar of an opponent and how it fills back with spikes on every move he's making, gaining obviously way more than deserved, and watch endgame especially where it is almost tied on time cause of that.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E7VM8H7H9A

same goes here where lag is even more transparent. watch first 17 moves of this game, kindanon makes almost immediate moves and premoves lot while opponents moves even take intervals in between and for first 17 moves he gets ms compensated so much he gets back to 15 seconds several times and that they have same time for first 17 moves.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-slY_bwRGa0

now watch nano vs non-lagger. not only do opponents moves come so faster, without even intervals he doesn't even gain back time, and has barely to no spikes in his green (red actually) bar.

anyone who says there's no difference between these two and first two is just as good and fair as latter is just lying cause there's no way anyone can think this is fine and fair. and i shouldn't have to be facing this just cause someone is so unwilling to not play something else but ultra.

Yep its ridiculous. Lichess need to sort it out now

will we have a response from the website?

#1 Regarding 2), it is already possible to measure lag lichess.org/api#operation/apiStreamEvent

i have lag measurer extension that is not working properly anymore due to being outdated and it only works partially - showing only my ping while saying infinity for that of an opponent. as it shows here on pic.

i don't have understanding of js to fix it myself, but if anyone does it would be so fine if you'd fix it, i will send u an extension. it not gonna be hard, it's single line missing.