The problem isn't in inmigration.... the problem is the goverments agree with the biggest lobbies to employ people every time more and more cheap while China sell us its low cost products (because they can to slave its people ever we tries to stand our civil rights).
Meanwhile we don't boicot the market with China (till become a democracy, etc.), we will suffer all kind of social problems.
I'm glad that we've steered away from blaming foreign people for the problems. So maybe capitalism is the problem. I googled how much the drug Co's make. They get fined £millions for overcharging,.
Maybe we could increase Corporation tax and collect what's owed. Maybe take a peek in the tax havens where there's £trillions tucked away to evade paying their share. Many working families rely on the indignity of food-banks, plus those on ridiculously small incomes.
The figures are all there for declining wages, except for those at the top of course. It seems that more wants more. A society of 'everyman for himself and the devil take the hindmost'; I think we can do better.
If you take a look at Ukip literature you'll see where they apportion blame, and who their supporters are. 'Bongo bongo land' and 'women enjoy being raped' are statements that come from their supporters. Google em. Their new leader already proved to be a liar, the failed Tory candidate has lied about his qualifications. Good thing we know, as liars can't be trusted, except to tell lies of course :-)
....and on the 10.00clock news, we had the story of a drug Co being fined £84 million for overcharging, hiking the prices up to the NHS by 1000's % for a life saving drug.
Another item where the PM acknowledging that millions of working people are living in poverty. The report stated the No at 3.8 million people.
#22-#23 I'm still not sure where you're coming from with this blame thing.
If big business doesn't pay enough tax but avoids doing so within the rules, then I don't see a problem with the business but with the rules. Change the rules.
You can see who UKIP's supporters are by looking at their literature? Well first of all, I'd point out that they received nearly 4 million votes at the last election - and you've just branded everyone who supported them racist, including ethnic minorities like me! Oddly, they're the only major political party in the UK that expressly stops people joining who have belonged to a racist group or party. Unlike Labour, for example, who don't just suffer from anti Semitism within their party, but have quite a few former BNP members who serve as councillors.
Take Trevor Maxfield. Maxfield was originally elected as a BNP councillor for the ward, before defecting to the Labour Party, which rapidly changed its mind about him being a 'racist', 'fascist' and 'nazi' - so much so that they made him Mayor of Darwen, Lancashire.
Maxfield had a long history with the BNP. He was appointed local organiser by no less a person than then BNP leader Nick Griffin back in 2004 when he was described by his predecessor as being one of the 'drug dealers and football hooligans' who made up the local branch of the BNP. He didn't defect straight to Labour though - first he joined the white supremacist 'England First Party'. Of course, had he been a member of UKIP, we'd have read about all this on the front page of the Mirror and the Guardian, and Hope not Hate and UAF would have been picketing his house.
Finally, poverty. The definition of poverty has changed dramatically in a very short amount of time. There is very little REAL poverty in the UK compared to the 1950s-1970s. Then, poor kids played in wastelands and shared beds and had bread and jam for tea. Nowadays, virtually no one knows how to darn socks!
I didn't start the 'blame thing'. Some blamed immigration, I'd say that was the 'blame thing'. I pointed out that immigration hasn't been the cause of economic problems, but the banking system that failed and had to be bailout by the Govt saddling us all with the debt.
I didn't call people racist, please read again. Ukip leaflets blame immigration, and the stuff I've seen focuses on skin colour. Some wealthy Jewish people supported Hitler in the early day, so a comparison to some minority people supporting ukip is similar; the Nazi party wasn't outright racist at first. There were many Jewish people in Mussolini's organisation, but he was still a fascist.
Claimed anti-Semitism in the LP is largely down to individuals criticising Israeli policy towards Palestine, not against Jewish people. Rather than discuss those issues some people just scream 'racist'. Many Jewish people and Israeli people also disagree with their Govt policy towards Palestinians but it doesn't make them anti-Semitic.
Bnp supporters have defected to many different political parties.
Poverty is relative. Inner city poverty can be seen everywhere, for all to see. Socks used to be made from wool and could be mended. I've never heard of anyone darning socks these days as they're cheap to buy but not an indication of poverty, or wealth for that matter. We live in a consumer society, most things get scrapped or thrown away these days rather than repair, often due to built in obsolescence.
Housing, fuel and food are expensive to families on very low incomes. We have an annual cull of pensioners in the UK in winter due to cold related illnesses. This doesn't happen in Nordic countries where it's colder. Most charitable organisations, and many others, blame this on people having to choose between 'heating or eating'.
'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › Nigel Farage
Worth a read. The Telegraph could never be described as a left-wing journal.
Forgot to respond to the comment about changing the rules to stop tax fiddles. The rules are there but not enforced. This could be because many leading politicians have offshore bank accounts, the very same people who blame immigration for the problems in the economy.
....and re minorities supporting ukip sounds like turkey's voting for Christmas.
I don't know your background and you don't know mine... but my father escaped Nazi Germany, and I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.
Same as you clearly don't get the problem of anti Semitism within Labour. You can dismiss what you like - but it doesn't make you right :)
Similarly, your ideas of 'what's happening' in Israel are skewed. Most of the houses, for instance, in the so-called illegal settlements are built by Arabs using money borrowed from Arab banks.
Anyway, there's no point in talking about such things until you're willing to see the other side. It sounds to me as though you should do some listening to the people affected rather than making what sound like white, middle class, liberal assumptions :)
All the best...
LOL. You're right on one thing, you know nothing about me but nobody has ever accused me of being middle class before :-) My father went into Nazi Germany at Normandy losing almost 50% of his unit. I think there's a number of rt-wing politicians whose parents escaped fascism, but that doesn't give them a monopoly on thought. What our fathers did doesn't make much difference to this debate and shouldn't be used as a smokescreen.
You make no comment on any of the points I make and personal comments shows the lack of reasoned argument, but is no substitute I'm afraid. All you've done is repeat what we hear in the rt-wing liberal media.
If you mean that I'm not willing to accept rt-wing liberal propaganda, then you're absolutely right on that one too. I always listen to both sides of the arguments. The ukip people that I've met are disgusting creatures full of racial hatred, and I told them so; they have no ideology that differs than the Tories when it comes to economics.
You can dismiss what you like but it doesn't make you right :-)