..and btw, I didn't express any views about Israel. Please quote what you think I said as you're confusing everyone. Best if you counter the arguments I make, rather than making them up. Once again, best read what I said before answering.
@twelvefifty can you share with us some of the obviously credible sites that you use. (or it is experience and direct inspiration)
Experience. I've been hearing the 'blame Johnny foreigner' stuff all my life and I'm amazed that people still believe it when it's obvious where the problems come from, unless they want to believe that nonsense of course :-) Private message me if you want a chat. Or continue the debate here, or both.
The problem is, you've made so many points... I just don't have a dustbin big enough for all of them.
Just by way of demonstration, I didn't say you were middle class. As you would say, "best read what I say"...
I tell you what, let's call it a win for you. Then you'll be happy... but you're not really being very persuasive lol :)
I was sort of waiting for you to come out with something concrete that shows us all how you're... right :D I feel let down and as though I put too much trust in you. My idol had feet of clay...
Just by way of demonstration, I didn't say you were middle class. As you would say, "best read what I say"...
I tell you what, let's call it a win for you. Then you'll be happy... but you're not really being very persuasive lol :)
I was sort of waiting for you to come out with something concrete that shows us all how you're... right :D I feel let down and as though I put too much trust in you. My idol had feet of clay...
@Toutatis: In order to understand @twelvefifty you have to change your whole value system.
And it's a question of morality after all, as he told me.
And it's a question of morality after all, as he told me.
Oh OK, thank you :) I might stop blubbering into my hanky now :D
Like I said Toutatis, maybe address the issues instead of Straw men as you're starting to sound silly now.
....and it's a discussion, not a competition.
So, to continue the O.P, it seems that for the UK to leave the EU it will devastate the economy and take ten years, according to the Tories. Maybe they should have thought of that beforehand?
The EU as it stands isn't regarded as a good thing by many, on the Left or Right. The Right stand for xenophobia, isolationism, Nationalism and many are absolute racists.
The Right want a UK dominated by Rt wing politics, no health and safety laws worth having, full privatisation of the economy, slashing of welfare and education budgets and a return to the 30's regarding employment law. You can see why they're keen.
Those that oppose them ask for a 'decent Brexit' that affords decent terms for the millions of working people, the same people that the Tories and their allies in Ukip seek to further exploit.
'Nationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel' is the quote. I agree, nothing has changed except the terminology that's used these days. Don't bite, don't accept, and challenge if you think the divisive language is incorrect. I think we can do better than blame each other.
The Left voted heavily against an unaccountable bureaucracy in the EU that will never offer change or fairness for ordinary working people. Instead they campaigned for a 'peoples Europe', free from discrimination, and for the right to work anywhere in Europe without being exploited.
The media never follow the Left argument, concentrating solely on what Ukip say, what the Rt-wing politicians say and what big business says.
Once again, we can all witness the bias of the media, always favouring the Right and rarely, if ever, giving the Left an opinion. Which is why we have some minorities in society believing the myths, just like they did when the Nazis rose to power. It's about class. The ruling class of every nation always band together. I;d be a good idea if ordinary people did the same I think.
Working people have everything in common, wherever we live, whatever our religion, and whatever our nationality. We shouldn't believe the same people who lie about just about everything else, owned and paid for by big business.
The EU as it stands isn't regarded as a good thing by many, on the Left or Right. The Right stand for xenophobia, isolationism, Nationalism and many are absolute racists.
The Right want a UK dominated by Rt wing politics, no health and safety laws worth having, full privatisation of the economy, slashing of welfare and education budgets and a return to the 30's regarding employment law. You can see why they're keen.
Those that oppose them ask for a 'decent Brexit' that affords decent terms for the millions of working people, the same people that the Tories and their allies in Ukip seek to further exploit.
'Nationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel' is the quote. I agree, nothing has changed except the terminology that's used these days. Don't bite, don't accept, and challenge if you think the divisive language is incorrect. I think we can do better than blame each other.
The Left voted heavily against an unaccountable bureaucracy in the EU that will never offer change or fairness for ordinary working people. Instead they campaigned for a 'peoples Europe', free from discrimination, and for the right to work anywhere in Europe without being exploited.
The media never follow the Left argument, concentrating solely on what Ukip say, what the Rt-wing politicians say and what big business says.
Once again, we can all witness the bias of the media, always favouring the Right and rarely, if ever, giving the Left an opinion. Which is why we have some minorities in society believing the myths, just like they did when the Nazis rose to power. It's about class. The ruling class of every nation always band together. I;d be a good idea if ordinary people did the same I think.
Working people have everything in common, wherever we live, whatever our religion, and whatever our nationality. We shouldn't believe the same people who lie about just about everything else, owned and paid for by big business.
LOL we got bored and moved on. You're in the minority. Glad you're so sure of your beliefs. Sorry that you aren't open to seeing WHY you're in the minority, but never mind. It really isn't my problem.
I'm unsubscribing from these posts now so won't see any more. That way, at least you can continue chatting to yourself and enjoying the satisfaction of being 'right' in your world :D
ENJOY!
I'm unsubscribing from these posts now so won't see any more. That way, at least you can continue chatting to yourself and enjoying the satisfaction of being 'right' in your world :D
ENJOY!
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